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Post by Dabbit on Jun 22, 2007 12:42:45 GMT -5
Am I going mad!!! Its just been on the news about a school girl who who has taken her school to the high court, because the school banned her from wearing a religious ring saying she won't have sex before marraige.
I think if a school uniform is black trousers and white shirt with blue jacket - then that's what you should wear - regardless of religion etc. I also think that people living in the UK should be taught the values of Christianity in school.
My daughter got A in her exams on religion - but she knows very little of Christianity!
Sorry but I just feel like I got to Screammmmmmmmmm
Ok better now
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2007 8:19:16 GMT -5
I guess I don't quite understand. Is the girl wearing the required uniform? And, if she is, does the school disallow any jewelry to be worn in addition to the uniform, or just that of a religious significance?
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Post by Dabbit on Jun 23, 2007 9:36:47 GMT -5
As far as I know she is wearing the uniform and jewlery is not allowed. However her argument is that other people in the school wear other things because of their religions and she isn't allowed to wear this ring. For example muslims are allowed to wear their jibab, but she is being refused permission to wear a ring saying she won't have sex until she's married...
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2007 16:18:04 GMT -5
I'm afraid I'll have to side with the girl on this one. If other religions can exercise 'rights' to display their religious affiliations, I can see nothing wrong with a simple ring expressing her belief. What's next, changing the Royal Anthem to "Allah Save the Queen", so as not to slight immigrants who refuse to conform or assimilate? The whole thing is rather silly, if you ask me - let her wear the ring, I say!
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Post by Dabbit on Jun 24, 2007 2:25:48 GMT -5
But my point is that there should be NO excpetion! If you want to go to that school you wear what everyone else does - no questions asked, otherwise find a school that accomodates your needs.
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Post by Mark on Jun 24, 2007 10:03:19 GMT -5
Agreed. However, if they make one exception, for the Muslims, then they should be forced to make another for the Christian, else take away the exception for the Muslims.
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Post by Dabbit on Jun 24, 2007 12:07:18 GMT -5
I agree with you there Mark although I've been living in a Christian country for 47 years and have never heard of a ring to wear to say you're not going to have se before wedlock. Whatever happened to the simple word "no". Personally I think it was a publicity stunt for her five minutes of fame
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Post by Mark on Jun 26, 2007 13:00:24 GMT -5
Could be, but my point was that if they break the 'rules' for one group, then it's only fair to give other groups the same opportunity, don't you see? Otherwise, enforce the rules strictly across the board.
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Post by sandy on Jun 26, 2007 15:23:07 GMT -5
I agree.It might be for her 15 minutes of fame but she has a valid point. The rules are the rules. If they have a school uniform and state what that uniform is then that is the rule. Did they somehow in the fine print add Except Muslims?
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Post by Mark on Jun 26, 2007 16:57:15 GMT -5
No, which is exactly my point. Either stick by the rules, or make exceptions based on some arbitrary basis, say, religion, for all, not just for Muslims, or just Christians, or whatever.
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Post by Maria on Jun 26, 2007 19:50:30 GMT -5
I must admit, I do believe that if one attends a school with dress codes and they do so knowingly, then they have nothing to complain about. It is like a friend that sent their child to a Catholic school and then complained that he had to take religious classes. WELLL what did they think? Give me a break.
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Post by Dabbit on Jun 27, 2007 1:50:32 GMT -5
No, which is exactly my point. Either stick by the rules, or make exceptions based on some arbitrary basis, say, religion, for all, not just for Muslims, or just Christians, or whatever. I do see your point Mark and agree with you! However I don't think this 'chastity' case is a religious thing, rather just a publicity stunt. |
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Post by Mark on Jun 27, 2007 7:30:19 GMT -5
Right. They should make the muslims stop wearing their religious regalia and the girl the chastity ring, both, or allow both, no in-between.
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Post by Dabbit on Jul 2, 2007 1:21:03 GMT -5
My daughters boy friend and myself had out first words this weekend - nothing major just me raising my voice! He was saying that a lot of people will be taking the government to the European court of human rights because of the smoking ban, this of course got me going on 'one of my little rants' with a rasied voice. Telling him in no uncertain terms what I thought of the blasted human rights!
Don't get me wrong I realise we do need human rights but EVERYTHING is put down to human rights - but where does it end? Everybody saying "It my human right NOT to work", "It's my human right to go live in the USA or UK", "it's my human right to abuse people because that's how I felt when I woke up"? Argh it drives me mad - lets save human rights for people who genuinely need them
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Post by Mark on Jul 2, 2007 12:45:11 GMT -5
I tend to agree, Dabbit - too often whatever one wants to espouse at any particular time is chalked up to 'human rights', well, I ask, 'How about common sense?'. Everyone can't have their way - if every individual or every little group wanted it's own way and that way were granted in the name of 'human rights', then chaos would reign. The good, the welfare of society as a whole outweighs 'human rights' when brought down to the lowest common denominator, doesn't it?
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Post by Fluffy on Jul 3, 2007 8:45:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately the Human Rights Act have been hijacked by all and sundry to cover every little petty grievance....
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Post by Mark on Jul 3, 2007 9:27:45 GMT -5
Yes, it has. And one is tempted to wonder why 'common sense' is called that anyway, since it's such an 'uncommon' virtue.
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Post by Dabbit on Jul 3, 2007 9:31:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately the Human Rights Act have been hijacked by all and sundry to cover every little petty grievance....[/quote You've hit the nail on the head Fluffy |
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Post by Dabbit on Jul 4, 2007 12:08:48 GMT -5
ARGH!!! On the news just now there are up to 16 prisoners in Norwich prison who are sueing the home pffice because of the jail not being of an acceptable standard!!!
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Post by Mark on Jul 4, 2007 15:37:37 GMT -5
You mean, it's only a 3-Star prison and the prisoners want a 4 or 5-Star, with daily massages and a cocktail hour?
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