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Post by Anita on Apr 17, 2006 16:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by Mark on Apr 17, 2006 19:43:29 GMT -5
The big shame is that not all that money is worth one Allied life lost or loved one injured.
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Post by Anita on Apr 17, 2006 20:05:33 GMT -5
Mark, so true! Words can't explain that War.
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2006 8:41:33 GMT -5
I know I can't. Reminds me of the song, "War", recorded by Edwin Starr back around 1970. What is it good for indeed? Can't we just 'all get along'?
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Post by sandy on Apr 18, 2006 8:47:30 GMT -5
I wish I could name one time in history when there was peace world wide. Not even when the world was smaller was there peace. Shows you that man doesn't ever learn. I think there is a lot of waste in military spending but if one more of my tax dollars would get more training or better equipment for the men they can gladly have it. I remember that song! Didn't remember Edwin Starr though.
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2006 9:52:01 GMT -5
Well, I'll confess I had to Google the singer's name, it looked familiar after seeing it though. He has his own website.
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 18, 2006 12:36:17 GMT -5
I remember that track too. This week our tally of service men killed in Iraq rose to 104 and it
makes me as angry now as it did three years ago.
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2006 12:38:22 GMT -5
Yes, each loss brings it home anew doesn't it?
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 18, 2006 12:47:22 GMT -5
Yes, it does. War is one thing, unjustified war another - I have yet to be convinced that this war
is either legal or justified. Ooh I feel a rant coming on!
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Post by sandy on Apr 18, 2006 13:10:24 GMT -5
When you hear what Saddam was doing to his people you feel nothing? Do you think why didn't someone stop him? I don't like war.I hate losing men like that. But... These men are volunteers. Get it? Volunteers. Ask any of them and they will say they are glad to be doing what they are doing. I talk to quite a few and some of them are now retired but would go back willingly if they were called. When I see Cindy Sheehan going on about how much she loved her son I get sick. She is not helping anyone just trying to prolong her 15 minutes of fame. Ok I feel a rant coming on now!!!
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 18, 2006 13:21:01 GMT -5
Unfortunately my son served in Iraq and three years later I am still trying to stick him back together
again. Of course I feel something for anyone suffering persecution, but I would love my son back
the way he used to be.....
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2006 14:38:24 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your son fluffy, it's a terrible shame. It's always different, I think, when it's someone as close as a child and even though everyone killed or injured is someone's child, this brings it home with quite a jolt, I know.
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Post by Maria on Apr 18, 2006 19:14:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately my son served in Iraq and three years later I am still trying to stick him back together again. Of course I feel something for anyone suffering persecution, but I would love my son back the way he used to be..... Last night I was talking to my cousin in California. Her husband is an officer in the army and just returned from that awful place. He thinks we should be out of there. The sooner the better. He served in the Gulf War and says it was much better run. Too much dollars for a cause I can no longer support. But I agree with Sandy, our men and women need the best armor and protection money can buy. Even though Saddam did horrible and crimes against the people, and the same thing is going on in Chad and other third world countries and we do nothing. Isn't this war really about oil? I support our troops just not the war. I don't know? I am pretty ignorant about foreign policy but Saddam didn't have WMD. Enough said. |
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Post by Mark on Apr 18, 2006 19:21:24 GMT -5
I agree with supporting our troops now that they're there - there's no question about supporting the troops. But how many more must die or be maimed? We didn't have a good case, IMO, in going to war in the first place. Sure the fiend was bad, sure he killed his own people - the same has happened in many countries though, many, many countries in which we did not take much of a stand. What's the difference, I don't know, maybe oil, maybe not. But I can tell you, from personal knowledge, we did not have real justification for going to war there, not in that way, not in that manner. There was no proof of WMD's in Iraq, none at all. And, having gone in there, we did not go in with enough men and materiel. I just don't understand. And now we're caught in a quagmire.
Maybe we should get off the subject - there are no answers, easy or otherwise, and it is a painful subject with very little ground for agreement with so many different points of view. Nobody's all right, nobody's all wrong and it is a very sensitive subject.
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 19, 2006 3:29:07 GMT -5
It is indeed very sensitive. Americans look after their troops, but sadly the Government here is
on a permanent cost cutting exercise and many of our troops had either wrong or missing
equipment. I do believe we have a duty of care to those who put their lives on the line for us
and in this country we failed them. I totally support our troops in their endeavours too.
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Post by Mark on Apr 19, 2006 9:04:49 GMT -5
Well said, fluffy. It is a shame that your government are not taking care of your brave young men and women. I hope it all comes to an end soon.
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Post by sandy on Apr 19, 2006 10:13:38 GMT -5
Yes fluffy, I'm sorry your government does not do all it can to support your troops. Ours sometimes falls short too. Must be because it's run by men. Women would do better. HEHEHE.
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 19, 2006 10:26:57 GMT -5
Our government has a history of putting war widows out of their homes within weeks of their
loss, and fighting to avoid paying compensation to soldiers wounded in service. No wonder some of us despair. I am sure you are right in some respects Sandy, though I am not sure I would have
wished our Margaret Thatcher on anyone...lol
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Post by Mark on Apr 20, 2006 11:04:01 GMT -5
Probably not. Given the equal opportunities which are their natural due, I'm sure women could muck things up equally well as men do. It's the nature of humans to do so and is neither testosterone nor estrogen driven.
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Post by Maria on Apr 20, 2006 12:00:24 GMT -5
Just look at our last couple of female Secretary of States for examples of mucking things up. From some of what I have read, females can be more ruthless than men. But then some women are smarter than some men. And some men are smarter than some women. :-)
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