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Post by sandy on Nov 23, 2006 11:05:26 GMT -5
After watching the news and listening to the person who was kicked off the airlines saying "it was the worst thing that ever happened to him"( I would love for that to be the worst thing in my life) I started thinking. He was yelling discrimination.He was saying he was profiled etc. Well instead of demanding that we look the other way when we see Arabic type people acting strangely before and after boarding a plane, why don't the Muslims start cleaning up their own religion? Why don't they tell the extremists that they are not true Muslims and kick them out? Why aren't they taking the responsibility of their religion and supporting it? Why are they tolerating the factions that make their religion misunderstood and feared and disliked? Why aren't they denouncing the extremists instead of demanding we accept and bend over back wards to be "nice" to them? Why can they make cruel remarks about our country and our beliefs and we have to tiptoe around our true beliefs and hide them from the population in case we might just offend someone? They don't seem to mind offending us.
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Post by Maria on Nov 23, 2006 11:40:54 GMT -5
Sandy, mostly I agree with you. It does seem to me that the good Muslims good band together and squash the extremist and stop the killing. And yet here in our own country, we have the extreme conservation religious right telling the rest what they should be doing. Or how about those that still hate and fear the Catholics. As Rodney King said, "Why can't we all get along?"
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Post by Mark on Nov 23, 2006 22:38:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm not sure who 'the extreme conservative right' really are - I suppose that's quite subjective and varies depending on one's individual interpretation, however, I doubt many of them are plowing airplanes into buildings. I can't quite equate telling someone your opinion or even telling them they are wrong to do this or do that or whatever with indiscriminate bombing or cutting off peoples' heads on television. Sorry, I just don't see it that way. We control our 'extremists' for the most part, why can't they? We clean up our own house for the most part as well, why don't they? The muslim community is absolutely not doing enough to control the extremist elements within that community.
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Post by twosheps on Nov 25, 2006 13:45:51 GMT -5
I totally agree with all of you--why can't the 'mullahs' (spelling??) demand that those militant extremists in their mosque to knock it off.
In fact after 9-11 I mentioned exactly that to a co-worker who is muslim. He replied well, why don't the Catholic priest and Protestant ministers do the same thing in Ireland? I didn't know what to say. He got me.
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Post by Mark on Nov 25, 2006 20:08:27 GMT -5
Well, there's been little violence lately in Northern Ireland, particularly when compared to 'the troubles' in the last century. However, you might point out to your friend that even at the height of 'the troubles' in Northern Ireland they did not rise, or perhaps I should say, 'sink' to the level of the atrocities carried out by muslim extremists. And, you might also point out to him that terrorists have their own mullahs who tell them that acts of terror are justified and demanded by Allah and that carrying them out will punch their ticket for heaven - so it's not just a case of getting 'mullahs', per se to tell them to 'knock it off', one must ask, 'which mullahs', of which branch or sect of Islam. There are no easy answers. And, as long as they make such specious comparisons as IRA extremism to Muslim terrorism instead of making a true effort to clean their house, then it can be said they have no real desire to bring an end to the violence at all, but rather by doing nothing are giving tacit approval to it.
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Post by sandy on Nov 26, 2006 10:55:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure that all muslims aren't quietly supporting the violence. They seem to be leaving their home country and going to other countries and demanding that they be given preferential treatment. Demanding to be recognized and demanding that the country change to suit them. This is a religion that is persecuted and misunderstood? No, I don't think so. Too many examples can be cited for this behavior to be an isolated occurrance. I applaud Australia and Amsterdam for saying this is us you don't like us leave. You come here you become Australian and speak the language and obey the rules. The USA should be more like that. Instead of ducking their heads and letting foriegners come in and demand they have more and better treatment than the citizens. I digress. Back to the original subject. Muslims are not a downtrodden people.They are an agressive people and don't care what they do to meet their goals.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 14:55:37 GMT -5
Certainly a lot of them do seem to be that way, but perhaps not all. I have known some peaceful moslems. Why they don't police their own community I have no idea. Perhapsy they are afraid.
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Post by Maria on Nov 27, 2006 20:28:43 GMT -5
Well Mark, you are pretty right. I think of them as sort of being like the Nazi's. Intimidation, torture and just plain murder. Bruts and bullies. Where was the German population when those things were occurring? Some of the people said they didn't know. Some were to afraid to do anything least they end up in ovens too. Yet I also know there are plenty of peaceful Muslims--I know several Muslims that are living here because of the awful things that happen in their homelands. They have told me that here they can practice their own religion without fear. Fear is pretty awful and unless we have lived in a country where it is part of our everyday life, I do not think we can truly understand it.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 20:32:49 GMT -5
Yes, it's funny how what seems all black or all white gets sort of blurry becauses there are so actually so many shades of gray in between. That's not to say there aren't some examples which really all black or all white, but I'd wager there's an awful lot of grays.
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