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Post by Dabbit on Mar 29, 2006 11:59:56 GMT -5
In the UK the procdure for a new drug is something like the following: 1) The drugs are tested in the labratory 2) The drugs are then tested on animal (usualy rats) 3) The drugs are then tested on a small number of humans 4) The drugs are then tested on a larger number of humans 5) It is then approved for general release
You may have heard recently that here in the UK a series of tests were performed on a small number of humans that went horrifically wrong. Given the fact this wasn;t the first 'test' that has gone wrong on humans and certainly won't be the leats - should we now move on from testing on animals, or do you think that animals have as many rights as we do?
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Post by Mark on Mar 29, 2006 12:14:04 GMT -5
The trouble with animal testing as I see it, is that the cosmetic industries repeat the same tests over and over again. The data are there for them to read, but they'd rather repeat. Also, in many cases the animals are mistreated. And, I'd much rather they used the lowest order of animal possible if they find the tests absolutely necessary. The TKN1814, or whatever it was, was a horrible fiasco. Tegenero should be severely fined or something for allowing those trials to go forward as they did.
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 30, 2006 9:41:10 GMT -5
Little more has been said about the test that went wrong, apart from a little bit on the news when they said the men were recovering slowly. They also said that visits to trial web sites has shot up simpl ybecause you fget paid up to £2,000 per time, somthing people didn't realise. it is something I have tought of doing (some years ago now)
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Post by Mark on Mar 30, 2006 23:46:38 GMT -5
Aren't you glad you didn't? 2,000 pounds seems like a low price for the price the poor blokes are paying for the problems they're having now, doesn't it?
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 31, 2006 4:43:52 GMT -5
I am glad I didn't do it, but when time are hard - need must. That said I am too much of a coward anyway!!! £2000 is on the higher pay scale, some offer just hundreds of pounds...
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 31, 2006 4:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mark on Mar 31, 2006 22:54:24 GMT -5
Over here, I don't recall any such tests paying such large sums of money. $200 or $300 at the most on average, with a bit more for a 1 or 2 year study.
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Post by Dabbit on Apr 1, 2006 13:36:10 GMT -5
Some here do get paid a smaller amount, but apparently they pay quite well considering. In our local paper this very day Glaxo were advertising for people over 60 who would be cocompensed (no amount mentioned) they would also need three 24 hour periods of stay in (presumably private hospitals), then another 3 1 hours check ups and more making a total of 10 days...I assume the pay must have been fairly good for that...
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Post by Mark on Apr 2, 2006 0:16:49 GMT -5
Dave, do they international air fares? LOL
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Post by Dabbit on Apr 21, 2006 11:07:03 GMT -5
Not that I know...but you could always live here for a few months...and providing you are healthy and aged between 18 and 45 you should be OK... (I'm not healthy or between 18 and 45 - so I'm on the tip)
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Post by Mark on Apr 21, 2006 11:14:41 GMT -5
Shucks, I'm well outside that range. Oh well...
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Post by Dabbit on Apr 21, 2006 11:45:48 GMT -5
Actually I am (until next month at least) still inside the age group...
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Post by Fluffy on Apr 21, 2006 12:04:48 GMT -5
Count me out too!
On another note, we have had several rescued animals over the years, and they have all made wonderful additions to our household. I am very wary of animal testing, simply because, as Mark says, so many of the products are not new and have been tested before on animals.
There are certain firms that I personally boycott, since I don't see why animals should be abused so that we can wash our hair or wear cosmetics.
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Post by Mark on Apr 21, 2006 20:38:20 GMT -5
Exactly right, Fluffy! And as I'm sure you know, one of their favorite tests, and one they continually repeat, is the injection of dyes into rabbits' eyes! Can you believe it? Oh, but on another note - I just read that our neighbours to the North, the Canadians are having another baby Harp Seal hunt. Such sport! Clubbing the baby seals for their fur, right in from of their mothers to support the demand in China and Russia (90%)! How horrible!
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Post by Dabbit on Apr 29, 2006 8:36:38 GMT -5
Jane maybe you should name and shame the companies so we can all avoid them...
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Post by Mark on Apr 29, 2006 9:47:13 GMT -5
Yes, indeed. If we get enough I'll start another little wiki. Incidentally, if I haven't mentioned it before, you can get a free wiki at www.pbwiki.com. They seem like nice folks and there's no charge or obligation.
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