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Post by Dabbit on Mar 8, 2010 10:35:49 GMT -5
Can you believe this site is 4 years old in a few days? I wouldn't have known but checking the stats showed it up as us being 3 years 11 months and 29 days! Happy birthday Exascape!
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Post by Mark on Mar 8, 2010 11:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 9, 2010 3:32:41 GMT -5
I agree 100% with you Mark. In the UK at the moment there are two cases. First Jon Venables who killed a 2 years old boy sadistically when he was about 9 himself I believe. He and he's partner in crime got were released after a few short years (about 9 I believe), and J V has now re-offended and been taken back into prison. The toddlers (who was killed by the pair) mother and our national press have both said we should know why he has been taken back, but our government have decided it is not in HIS interest to do so. Additionally, he has life long identity protection at the cost of £250,000 a year to us the tax payer. (he is reported to have obtained a mountain of child porn)
The second is a 17 year old girl who befriended a supposed young man on Facebook, the young girl had low self esteem and he paid her attention - so she met him. As a result she was raped and killed. Dreadful both of them and I know they are replicated worldwide. So I fully agree that life should mean life, and the Government(s) should come down in favour of the victim and NOT the perpetrator.
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Post by Mark on Mar 9, 2010 10:02:19 GMT -5
I remember that first case, Dabbit, I believe. Didn't they abduct him at a shopping center (or centre as you call them there). Bulger, I believe was the poor victim's name, as I recall, or something like that.
The thing is, as I see it, as these types cannot be 'rehabilitated'. Murder is so intrinsically reprehensible to 'normal' people that something must be terribly wrong with those who commit murder, and thus should be shut away from the rest of us. I, myself, cannot conceive of taking away something from someone which can't be given back - their life. Death is irrevocable and the causing of one's death should be punished likewise - if not by actual execution, then by the total exclusion from society for the rest of their natural lives.
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 10, 2010 3:09:10 GMT -5
It was indeed Jamie Bulger Mark and yes they did take him from a shopping centre in Bootle (Merseyside). I think given that they took one so young and vulnerable and did such horrid things to him should mean as you say no chance of 'getting out'. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, unless the conviction is indisputable - which I believe this case is.
The trouble now here is that there are cases of young men who are being targeted by some groups of people because they believe 'they are Jon venables'. So Jon Venables is living in security while poor innocent people (1 a young dad of 27) are being classed a paedophiles and child killers. And who knows what the next step is if things get out of hand...
This story should not have broke at all: OR they should have revealed ALL details. This Jon venables has life time ID protection World wide (Only 4 people have it in the UK and 2 of them were involved in this crime). The law does need a complete over haul I think, to bring it into modern times.
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Post by Mark on Mar 10, 2010 10:57:20 GMT -5
I wholly agree, Dabbit. I'd give him ID protection for sure, if you follow me... Solitary confinement for life.
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Post by cjsoma on Mar 11, 2010 11:58:19 GMT -5
If I may join this conversation...I totally agree that those who take the life of another human being should be removed permanently from the general population. This past week there was yet another murder in San Antonio, TX. A young man shot and killed his wife of about two months because "I couldn't stand listening to her constant nagging." His first shot in the chest knocked her down. He then shot her several more times in the face because "I didn't want her to live the rest of her life knowing she'd been shot by the one she loved the most." Of course, he already had a record of criminal arrests.
If you are like me, you read these things and are not quite able to believe your eyes.
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Post by carolann on Mar 11, 2010 13:52:52 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to all at Exascape who spend so much time keeping this moving forward.
Thanks so much.
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Post by Dabbit on Mar 17, 2010 8:16:01 GMT -5
If I may join this conversation...I totally agree that those who take the life of another human being should be removed permanently from the general population. This past week there was yet another murder in San Antonio, TX. A young man shot and killed his wife of about two months because "I couldn't stand listening to her constant nagging." His first shot in the chest knocked her down. He then shot her several more times in the face because "I didn't want her to live the rest of her life knowing she'd been shot by the one she loved the most." Of course, he already had a record of criminal arrests. If you are like me, you read these things and are not quite able to believe your eyes. I am like that too cjsoma! I also just get to think the human race can't do anything else to shock me, and then sure enough something does!
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Post by Mark on Mar 17, 2010 12:56:34 GMT -5
Aye, it's a sad commentary, isn't it? But I wonder why we're not in the Pet Peeve section or something? We might get some more conversation going. I'll see if I can figure out how to move this when I get a chance. (If I get a chance) LOL ;D
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